A month before Kevin Costner puts the first installment of his multi-chapter Western 㽶ƵֱHorizon: An American Saga㽶Ƶֱ into theaters, the actor-director came to the Cannes Film Festival to unveil his self-financed passion project.
㽶ƵֱTwo of my boys are out fishing right now,㽶Ƶֱ Costner said with a grin in an interview at the Carlton Hotel. 㽶ƵֱAnd the three girls found their way onto a boat. So dad㽶Ƶֱs in here, stumping for his movie.㽶Ƶֱ
The movie is actually two, or if Costner has his way, four. 㽶ƵֱHorizon: Chapter One,㽶Ƶֱ which runs three hours, will be released by Warner Bros. in theaters June 28. 㽶ƵֱChapter Two㽶Ƶֱ follows August 16. Costner has scripts ready for parts three and four.
It㽶Ƶֱs only the fourth time Costner, 69, has directed, following 1990㽶Ƶֱs 㽶ƵֱDances With Wolves,㽶Ƶֱ 1997㽶Ƶֱs 㽶ƵֱThe Postman㽶Ƶֱ and 2003㽶Ƶֱs 㽶ƵֱOpen Range.㽶Ƶֱ But when he has, Costner has usually done it with a clear-eyed passion for storytelling and character. That㽶Ƶֱs on display in the wide-ranging epic 㽶ƵֱHorizon,㽶Ƶֱ with a cast including Sienna Miller, Abbey Lee, Sam Worthington and Costner.
It㽶Ƶֱs also Costner㽶Ƶֱs biggest gamble, ever. To raise the money for the $100 million-plus production, he mortgaged his seaside Santa Barbara, California, estate. He㽶Ƶֱs been trying to make 㽶ƵֱHorizon㽶Ƶֱ for more than 30 years.
㽶ƵֱI thank God for Cannes. I㽶Ƶֱm an independent filmmaker, essentially, and I㽶Ƶֱm here by myself,㽶Ƶֱ said Costner, whose film was to premiere Sunday. 㽶ƵֱSo this is a high moment for me because it㽶Ƶֱs helping me create awareness for a movie. I don㽶Ƶֱt have all the money in the world to expose this movie. But I have my time and a platform here.㽶Ƶֱ
Remarks have been lightly edited for brevity.
AP: What was your calculus in deciding to put your money into 㽶ƵֱHorizon㽶Ƶֱ? What made it worth it to you?
COSTNER: You can spend your life just trying to make your pile grow bigger and bigger. And I㽶Ƶֱve not been really terribly great at that. I㽶Ƶֱm like anyone else, I㽶Ƶֱd like it to be big. But not at the expense of not doing what I feel like I㽶Ƶֱve love to do. If no one will help me do it and I believe strongly in its entertainment value 㽶Ƶֱ there㽶Ƶֱs commerce on my mind. But I don㽶Ƶֱt let it overshadow the entertainment value and essence of what I㽶Ƶֱm trying to portray. I don㽶Ƶֱt try to let the fear of that control my instincts on any level. I don㽶Ƶֱt want to live that way. If I was watching a movie about me and I thought, 㽶ƵֱOo, don㽶Ƶֱt risk your money and make something like that,㽶Ƶֱ what a (expletive).
AP: Was it an easy decision? You didn㽶Ƶֱt look around your seaside Santa Barbara estate and question mortgaging it?
COSTNER: No, it wasn㽶Ƶֱt an easy decision, but it was the decision I needed to make. It㽶Ƶֱs like, wow, why am I having to do this? I think I㽶Ƶֱm making mainstream entertainment. I don㽶Ƶֱt know what you felt about the movie but I felt like it㽶Ƶֱs really mainstream. I don㽶Ƶֱt feel that I㽶Ƶֱm an avant-garde type of a person. But yet I think my things are a little off. I㽶Ƶֱm willing to (in a wagon trail scene in the film) see a woman bathe because her desire to be clean was so pronounced. If you㽶Ƶֱre a woman, who wouldn㽶Ƶֱt want to be? But then in the next moment, you realize it㽶Ƶֱs against the rule, man. You could cost yourself your life. So that scene became important to make the next scene important. To me, a scene like that is just as important as a gun fight. And if that kind of scene doesn㽶Ƶֱt want to exist in a mainstream movie㽶Ƶֱ
AP: Could this have been a series?
COSTNER: I guess. It will be. They㽶Ƶֱre going to break this up into a hundred pieces, you know what I mean? After four of these, they㽶Ƶֱre going to have 13, 14 hours of film and they㽶Ƶֱre going to turn into 25 hours of TV, and they㽶Ƶֱre going to do whatever they㽶Ƶֱre going to do. That㽶Ƶֱs just the way we live in our life but they㽶Ƶֱll also exist in this form. And that was important for me, to make sure that happened. And I was the one who paid for it.
AP: It㽶Ƶֱs an audacious release plan, with the second film opening two months after the first. What appealed to you about that?
COSTNER: The studio wanted to try that. I knew this was going to come out fairy quickly, like every four or five months. That may have been easier. But this is something they feel like people can remember the first one and it can tie into the second one. I built into all of them a montage of what㽶Ƶֱs coming.
AP: Since directing 㽶ƵֱDances With Wolves,㽶Ƶֱ you㽶Ƶֱve directed 㽶ƵֱOpen Range㽶Ƶֱ and starred in 㽶ƵֱWyatt Earp㽶Ƶֱ and 㽶ƵֱYellowstone.㽶Ƶֱ What keeps bringing you back to the West?
COSTNER: I like seeing behavior in men that makes sense. I make movies for men. I just make sure there㽶Ƶֱs great women characters because that㽶Ƶֱs really important to me. The backbone of our movie is actually women. I don㽶Ƶֱt like boys behaving stupid. I like the little boy who (fleeing an attack) takes the two horses and effectively saves his life. I like seeing people behave honestly in desperate situations. The heroism of a little boy saying 㽶ƵֱI㽶Ƶֱll stay with you, Dad㽶Ƶֱ is a really powerful moment. That㽶Ƶֱs my son (Hayes Costner) and it was very hard to watch.
AP: In dramatizing the drive West of settlers, what was the Native American perspective you wanted to consider?
COSTNER: Confusion about it. The colonel says, 㽶ƵֱIf we salt the earth with enough of their dead, the wagons won㽶Ƶֱt come anymore.㽶Ƶֱ When you㽶Ƶֱre that far out there, you can㽶Ƶֱt go. When people said goodbye in the East Coast, they didn㽶Ƶֱt come back. So the confusion for the Native American was they couldn㽶Ƶֱt make sense of that. Normally if you kill enough people they won㽶Ƶֱt bother you. But these Americans, these people were getting flyers saying you could have this land. There are salesmen in every century, every decade selling something they don㽶Ƶֱt really know what it is. It㽶Ƶֱs just America. It㽶Ƶֱs just this giant experiment of hope.
AP: But America means different things to different people, right? You have Chinese immigrants in the film as well.
COSTNER: When they weren㽶Ƶֱt useful, they were just cast away. And they had to create a sense of community and they came en masse. They came together and they were very industrious. They㽶Ƶֱll be the wealthiest people in that town until there㽶Ƶֱs a tipping point and racism kicks in and suddenly they㽶Ƶֱre gone, too. You watch. That㽶Ƶֱs what would happen in real life.
AP: What I㽶Ƶֱm getting at is there㽶Ƶֱs tragedy in this. Do you see westward expansion and your film as a tragedy?
COSTNER: There㽶Ƶֱs inevitable tragedy to it. And there㽶Ƶֱs divisions. You see a whole tribe break in half. You see a father break from a son.
AP: Have you already started shooting the third installment?
COSTNER: I㽶Ƶֱve shot three days and I continue to have to press for money to finish this. I have to figure out what else I can do to make this. But I㽶Ƶֱm not waiting to see how people feel. I know what this is, and I think if people love the movie experience, they have a really good chance of wanting to see the next one. That㽶Ƶֱs all I can believe. The prudent thing would be to wait, but I guess I㽶Ƶֱm not built for that wait.
AP: Some of the issues on 㽶ƵֱYellowstone㽶Ƶֱ seemed to have to do with time and scheduling. What㽶Ƶֱs your feeling about your future with that series at this point?
COSTNER: 㽶ƵֱYellowstone㽶Ƶֱ was really important in my life. I really loved that world and what we were able to do in five seasons. I only thought it would be one, but did five. I was willing to do three more 㽶Ƶֱ five, six and seven 㽶Ƶֱ but it just didn㽶Ƶֱt happen. Certain things were going on and it just didn㽶Ƶֱt happen. So the idea of going back, I㽶Ƶֱm open to that idea. But it㽶Ƶֱs based on everything that first three or four were based on, which is the scripts.
Jake Coyle, The Associated Press