is floating in the ocean, the sun just beginning to set behind her. She looks strong, serene 㽶Ƶֱ save for the looming threat of a massive shark, fin just breaching the surface a few feet away.
The image is the cover of her third album, 㽶ƵֱRadical Optimism,㽶Ƶֱ out Friday. It is an apt visual representation for an album about finding and protecting your peace in dangerous waters 㽶Ƶֱ a thematic maturation for the pop superstar, who has long identified her sound as 㽶Ƶֱdance-crying.㽶Ƶֱ
That cheeky term encapsulates the clubby jubilance of her biggest pop hits, but 㽶ƵֱRadical Optimism,㽶Ƶֱ with its psychedelic electro-pop, complicates it.
㽶ƵֱThere㽶Ƶֱs definitely something more cathartic that comes with the third album,㽶Ƶֱ she told The Associated Press recently.
㽶Ƶֱ㽶ƵֱFuture Nostalgia㽶Ƶֱ was my chance for me to be able to do a very polished pop-dance-disco record,㽶Ƶֱ she says 㽶ƵֱRadical Optimism,㽶Ƶֱ alternatively, was informed by what she㽶Ƶֱs learned from touring the world over the last few years 㽶Ƶֱ drawing influence from trip hop and Britpop and including newfound interest in live instrumentation.
㽶ƵֱIt was so much more free flowing,㽶Ƶֱ she says of her latest album㽶Ƶֱs creative process. 㽶ƵֱAnd it didn㽶Ƶֱt have a formula, per se, but I always had that pop sensibility in the back of my mind. But I wanted to just experiment and try and create something new. But I think this was always kind of the album that I㽶Ƶֱve always wanted to make.㽶Ƶֱ
In more ways than one: Around her first album, Lipa wrote down that she㽶Ƶֱd like to work with 㽶Ƶֱ specifically on her third album. The manifestation worked, and he became a crucial collaborator on 㽶ƵֱRadical Optimism.㽶Ƶֱ
㽶ƵֱIt was almost like something deep down, instinctively, was telling me that it was something earned,㽶Ƶֱ she says. 㽶ƵֱThat over time I would be able to go in and work with a creative that I was so inspired by, and to be in a room and learn from him.㽶Ƶֱ
As for the album㽶Ƶֱs title: 㽶ƵֱIt㽶Ƶֱs euphoric, it㽶Ƶֱs togetherness,㽶Ƶֱ she says.
㽶ƵֱDance music has such a long history of creating such a safe space. And I just want to embody that,㽶Ƶֱ she adds.
She㽶Ƶֱs been working hard to get there. Lipa, now 28, began her career at age 15, when she convinced her family to let her move from Kosovo to London, where she was born, to pursue a pop career. She went to school, modeled, and in 2017 released her eponymous debut album with the blockbuster dance-pop hits 㽶ƵֱNew Rules㽶Ƶֱ and 㽶ƵֱOne Kiss.㽶Ƶֱ Then came the nu-disco electropop of 2020㽶Ƶֱs 㽶ƵֱFuture Nostalgia,㽶Ƶֱ which solidified her status as one of pop music㽶Ƶֱs biggest players. Not bad for a unique voice in the streaming era, where capturing the attention of the masses 㽶Ƶֱ and sustaining it 㽶Ƶֱ has never been more of a challenge.
In 2024, her pop songs contain a kind of learned elasticity. The melodies stack atop unusual synth sounds, the vocal range stretches (particularly on the cut 㽶ƵֱFalling Forever㽶Ƶֱ), the dance breaks inspired by U.K. rave culture and format-benders Primal Scream and Massive Attack 㽶Ƶֱ they㽶Ƶֱre all elements Lipa says she wouldn㽶Ƶֱt have dared attempt on her last album. That came from working with Parker, producer Danny L Harle, songwriter (known for his work with and ), and Lipa㽶Ƶֱs longtime collaborator Caroline Ailin.
㽶ƵֱShe understands how to handle a lot of opinions in the room, including her own,㽶Ƶֱ Jesso tells the AP. 㽶ƵֱShe doesn㽶Ƶֱt value hers above anyone else㽶Ƶֱs, she simply uses the ones which work best for what she is trying to achieve.㽶Ƶֱ
㽶ƵֱWe were a band,㽶Ƶֱ Lipa says of the group. The first day they wrote 㽶ƵֱIllusion.㽶Ƶֱ The second day, 㽶ƵֱHappy for You.㽶Ƶֱ (㽶ƵֱI㽶Ƶֱd never written a song like that before,㽶Ƶֱ she points out. 㽶ƵֱAnd I loved that version of myself.㽶Ƶֱ) The third day, the post-disco pop of 㽶ƵֱWhatcha Doing.㽶Ƶֱ In bright, airy studios in London and Malibu, they finessed what would become Lipa㽶Ƶֱs most ambitious 㽶Ƶֱ and euphoric-sounding 㽶Ƶֱ record to date.
That experimentation appears across Lipa㽶Ƶֱs endeavors, too. She㽶Ƶֱs acting more 㽶Ƶֱ 㽶Ƶֱlittle baby roles!㽶Ƶֱ she says with a smile 㽶Ƶֱ after playing Mermaid Barbie in (she also contributed the ubiquitous, Grammy-nominated ) and LaGrange, a sultry spy in 㽶ƵֱArgylle㽶Ƶֱ (a brief performance AP film critic Jake Coyle described as ).
In 2022, she founded a newsletter called Service95, what she views as an extension of a childhood blog, to 㽶Ƶֱtell stories from all around the world, not solely from a Western lens,㽶Ƶֱ she says. It has grown into a website, podcast and book club: 㽶ƵֱIt㽶Ƶֱs just another hobby of mine that I㽶Ƶֱve somehow managed to turn into a job, which is just great,㽶Ƶֱ she says, smiling.
㽶ƵֱMy day job, which is my music career, which I love, comes with constantly being online. And I think for me, at least now I㽶Ƶֱm searching for other things, and not doomscrolling on Twitter,㽶Ƶֱ she says of her media enterprise. 㽶ƵֱAt least this way I㽶Ƶֱm like learning something new about the world. I love having that kind of duality in my life.㽶Ƶֱ
It㽶Ƶֱs a duality fueled by curiosity, like when Lipa made headlines late last year for challenging in an interview on her podcast over reports of children in the Democratic Republic of Congo mining cobalt for iPhones.
㽶ƵֱThat was scary, and really exciting,㽶Ƶֱ she says. 㽶ƵֱYou never really know what to expect when you go in to interview someone.㽶Ƶֱ
A few days after visiting the AP㽶Ƶֱs New York headquarters, Lipa appears at a public high school on the Upper East Side of Manhattan to speak to students in a conversation moderated by .
㽶ƵֱOne of the things I admire about her is how incredibly intelligent she is,㽶Ƶֱ Barrymore says in her introduction, commending Lipa for not only being an 㽶Ƶֱicon,㽶Ƶֱ but someone who is 㽶Ƶֱglobally aware.㽶Ƶֱ
In conversation, Lipa is generous and warm, particularly to a freshman drama student named Dolce, who is also Albanian, and expresses a desire to make it in the entertainment industry. Lipa tells her that identity, intentionally or not, is woven into her music.
At the end of the event, Lipa says she feels 㽶Ƶֱoptimistic about life overall, everything that comes with it,㽶Ƶֱ and takes a moment to look out at the audience. 㽶ƵֱI㽶Ƶֱm the most optimistic about the next generation.㽶Ƶֱ
And then, almost as swiftly as she arrived, Lipa leaves. A lingering positivity permeates the air. It recalls something she told the AP earlier in the week: that she strives to be 㽶Ƶֱviolently happy㽶Ƶֱ in life and in her endeavors.
㽶ƵֱYou sometimes have to push yourself into that feeling,㽶Ƶֱ she says. Remaining grateful is 㽶Ƶֱdefinitely a muscle that needs to be exercised.㽶Ƶֱ
On 㽶ƵֱRadical Optimism,㽶Ƶֱ she㽶Ƶֱs written the workout soundtrack.
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